Post Match. Lions pip Pies - all comments

[neil]

We got smashed at centre clearances our mids all ran forward expecting someone else to do the hard work. Our delivery into the forward 50 was simply below a top 4 side. Our forwards were invisible.

Good
Thomas Swan

Bad
O Bree, Wellingham. Wood Ball Johnston Cloke Dawes Anthony Shaw Toovey

OK Reid Presti OBrien

So disgusted so many passengers

All those who slagged off at Fraser this year should re-evaluate your ideas he could not have done worse than Wood

L Brown would have done more than our big forwards he at least can chase and tackle and take the occasional mark.

[42]

unusual for me, i am tending towards a moderate tone.

there were half a doze players who were crap. but only some of them deserve a bullet.

OB,
Wood
Reid
Anthony
Macca
all need to be dropped

Cloke
Johnno ( who wasnt that bad)
beams
swanny
didak
Harry
all need to lift and be dangerous.

they were good in patches, and i know that i will b attacked about swan, but many of those touches were cheapies. but he did other godo stuff as well.

cloke is too important and franly when the delivery was as crap as tonight well what can any forward do.

MM was not the issue tongiht, aside from OB and MAcca, he was justified in picking the side he did, and even macca was 50\50 i reckon. anbd the gameplan was ok.

We just were not desperate enough, or hard enough, and that is a mindset that the players have to have, not much the coach can really do about that. You cud tell brissy were up for tongiht and we were a bit off before the bounce.

leroy or brown for reid. tarks in and maybve dick just gets fit playin gthe the firsts rather than the seconds. or barham comesin for some of these others. may as well let them run free a bit.

OB is clearly past it and must be dropped

[jack_spain]

Ah, No to the first question and Yes to the second.

You see Donny, this statement is meaningless outside the context of its own thread. Which was, for the benefit of readers who didn't see the original thread, a question about (1) whether Jolly can jump, and (2) whether we are in a slump.

But meddling Donny takes it upon himself every week he mods the post-game thread to interfer and mess up legitimate threads that should be allowed to stand on their own.

Just stop doing it Donny! Go and do something else online if you don't like these threads after a loss. Just stop treating us posters like children!

[I wonder how long this post will last.]

[jackcass]

We are heading in the right direction , patience.

Struggled to see it tonight

Why should it be the exception!

[Donny]

Post match - all comments

[Geek]

I'm so disgruntled - and up until 2 weeks ago I was relatively gruntled...

Woo hoo! Thougth I was the only one who used "gruntled".

Anyway... nice games by Daisy and Harry. Thought Pendles did some good work but was surprised to see Swanny with almost 30 touches. Thoguht he was a fair bit quieter than that.

As for the rest of it, well.... glad a took an hour or two before posting. Hate losing to that mob. I'll just plant myself over in the "we seriously lacked some G&D there tonight" camp as the critiques on some of our players have been pretty strong.

Tend to agree with most of them tonight. Gonna go get some comfort food.

[ThePieMind]

No one has mentioned that Maxwell had 2 poor turnovers that resulted in goals prior to 3/4 time.

Pies cannot win againts good teams with defenders who have poor disposal by foot - Shaw, Maxwell and Obrien compared to Scarlett, Milburn and Mackie.

Skills win you matches - but after all these years MM still cannot see it - well watch the match tape of the last two games (and the Saints game).

Pies will not be a better skilled team until the post MM era begins.

Mick should show the boys the tape of this afternoon' Geelong game. That is how you play football. And how in blazes did the coaching staff at Collingwood miss seeing the potential in Podsiadly? Yet another player who will play in a premiership side because Collingwood let him go.

Ah Collingwood. As one of my Brion supporter friends says (especially about the Mal Michael and "Mick" Malloy trade), "Collingwood - the gift that keeps on giving."

I wondered who would bring up Podisiadly, as if it has any relevance - just another cheap shot. How many other clubs missed him.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I don't recall anyone hear protesting when he was gone - why didn't you protest JACK.
Lets not let the facts get in the way of cheap shot.
Jack you and your Mob provide more levity and laughs here than you realise, just keep rolling with the ridiculous commentary it is Saturday nignt after all, and theres not much on the Comedy Channel.

[swoop42]

It's official.

3 tall forwards aint going to work.

Both Dawes and Anthony have there limitations and there strengths but regardless neither will have a chance in hell with the forward setup we have had over the last 2 weeks and certainly not with the crap delivery of the ball into the f50 like tonight.

How about next week we just go back to basics and have one tall playing deep from the square as much as possible, the other (Cloke) starting around 30-40 metres out from goal as the CHF.

Yep. It's Anthony v Dawes.
I'd still have Dawes ahead of Jack, but will need to improve on his last few weeks. Dawes was pretty good early, no coincidence this was when our midfield was actually competing, but fell right away. Jack does seem to have that little bit of a game winning special touch. What? We lost tonight? But, I thought Jack took a mark and kicked a goal to put us in front, what happened after that? I missed the rest of the game.

Seems we go through Cloke far less when we have the three options too. He was still monstering his opponent tonight, but was in far too few contests. Whether this was good defense, poor presenting, or us taking other options, I'm unsure.

Pretty much agree with that.

Jack has a touch more x factor about him but he has the benefit of a full season ahead of Dawes in terms of AFL experience and coming off a 50 goal season has the confidence of his teammates to kick it to him.

Thought tonight Dawes was overlooked on occassion in preference for Anthony when that option may not have been the best one.

Dawes has his limitations overhead at present(perhaps he needs his eyes checked?) so his teammates need to learn to kick the ball out in front of him so he can run on to it and take a chest mark.

Tonight when he managed to get himself free to many times the ball was either kicked on top of his head or poorly executed and missed him all together.

Regardless all of Cloke, Dawes/Anthony need to improve over the coming weeks with the selectors having to decide who's of more benefit to the structure of the team.

I see Jack as more the traditional full forward who's at his best leading from the square, whilst Chris is a combination of Anthony/Cloke.

Dawes is just ahead at this stage as I see him allowing Cloke to spend more time deep forward.

[ThePieMind]

We are heading in the right direction , patience.

Struggled to see it tonight

Dave you struggle to see it any time we lose - you have no patience, and sadly are blinded by your dissappointment to be able to see the woods for the trees on these occasions.

This is not a critiscm just a fact, and you are not alone, many others are exactly the same.

[raymond35]

Watching from the amazing seats supplied by Northern Pie behind the goals, 2 things stood out:

- how truly horrible our forward set up and delivery forward really is.

- what an incredible player harry OBrien is and how much ground he covers.

[Mr. Burns]

Why has our forward line gone from kicking 20 goals per week to struggling to get past 10 in the space of 2 weeks?

[Neil Appleby]

Shaw: I'm seeing a nervous footballer, lacking patience and confidence in his team mates. He's turning the ball over and has the look of a panicky young bloke. Worrying.

Sidey, Beams and Wellingham looked a bit tired.

Cloke and Didak: just don't stand up to be counted.

Anthony: is not in our best 26. Tonight was bordering on embarrassing.

O'Bree may be on the outer in Nicks but I'll take a footballer who puts his head over the ball and has a heart any day over a lair who gives off dinky 2 metre hand passes and disappears every time there is pressure applied.

Thomas: gutsy performance.

Ball: tried hard. Tons of heart.

Too many tonight waiting for someone else to stand up and do the hard stuff. Just a case of tiredness and a mid season slump? Hope so.

[HAL]

That seems like a lot. Do you think it will take a long time?

[Didaksgoal]

Why has our forward line gone from kicking 20 goals per week to struggling to get past 10 in the space of 2 weeks?

The senior coach. You can't polish a turd.

Go the Pies

[Koz]

Beaten by 2 cripples, a cocky coach, a bunch of average players with little experience, a team decimated with injury, a team of recycled nobodies, a team which has lost it's last 5 games. Sure, we have such great depth that we can rotate players at will, have such a great away record and believe in our own publicity. Pampered over paid losers here to break the hearts of supporters again. Twenty years since our last premiership......... ...the next one seems so far away. Dale Thomas tried his guts out tonight...the rest of you should hang your heads in shame. The Colliwobbles were reborn tonight. MM, get out while you can.