Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board

John Wren wrote:any news rudie?

Just keep poking that bear...

You wonder if the declaration of Treloar makes any difference in what we are willing to pay Shaz for his next contract?

Club may have been holding some cards back waiting for an official decision...

Come on community lets get this thread to a 1000 posts!

ad4eva wrote:You wonder if the declaration of Treloar makes any difference in what we are willing to pay Shaz for his next contract?

Club may have been holding some cards back waiting for an official decision...

Risky. His contract expires 31 Oct which is before we could actually secure Treloar during the trade period I think. Could end up missing out on both.

I'm guessing he still hasn't committed to us?

He's as good as gone.

Defender wrote:He's as good as gone.

Sure is, even by his own admission senior football season has come and gone. If your waiting on some matches in the two's to decided if you want to stay at a club then wow.

waiting for adelaide to be bundled out of the finals so the first domino can fall.

jackcass wrote:
Risky. His contract expires 31 Oct which is before we could actually secure Treloar during the trade period I think. Could end up missing out on both.

Incorrect.

If contracts expired before the end of the trade period then the players wouldn't be on a list and would not be able to be traded... There is a good week or so after trade period to re-sign or decide what to do with players who couldn't find a deal for.

Let me preface my remarks by declaring I know nothing about the negotiations with his management, nor do I know anything about this kid, or his intentions. But there are some facts which we all know and should be undisputed by all.

Firstly, our club has been trying since the middle of last year.....that's right, since the middle of the 2014 season... to secure his signature.

Secondly, since that time we have heard numerous explanations from him as to why he wouldn't sign a contract extension - "I want to get over my injuries first"..."I want to get some senior games under my belt first"....and then "I'll wait to the end of the season and it will take care of itself".

Thirdly, he has never PUBLICLY, declared he wanted to remain a Collingwood player.

Fourthly, Derek Hine acknowledged back in May that the Crows were circling, and expected to try to entice Scharenberg back to Adelaide.

So in light of those facts, here is my conjecture.

I think there is a strong likelihood that negotiations with us will soon break down and his manager will declare he's had an offer "too good to refuse" from Adelaide.

Before going any further, let's be clear, I have complete faith that our football department are professional enough to know what's the likely outcome and they will negotiate the best outcome for Collingwood. In that case, we could all just remain silent, and let it all take place without comment. But what's the point of Nicks? This is a place for us supporters to air our opinions, right or wrong. Ultimately, nothing said on this site is going to influence any outcome. My comments are meant purely as an expression of my feelings on the matter.

So, from a non-informed supporters perspective, purely as an exercise of amusement on Nicks, what do I think our club should do?

I guess that mainly depends on how much we rate Scharenberg as a player. Personally, I have not been all that impressed by him as a player, despite acknowledging his slow recovery from serious injury. However, given that, in his own words, he sees himself as a half back flanker, I don't think he is the sort of player we are desperately in need of. If he was a project key forward I might have a different attitude. If we rate him as a genuine future star, then we should keep negotiating to try to persuade him to remain a Magpie. In my mind, however, I haven't seen the commitment from him on the field that I've seen from De Goey, Moore, Maynard, Marsh or Ramsay.

So if I was Derek Hine (and our club is no doubt very lucky that i am not, I hear you say), given the delayed bargaining tactics of Scharenberg's manager, I would make a final offer and give him 48 hrs to accept or reject. After then I would then make it known that he is on the trade table and see what we could get for him. We should take the initiative. At the end of the day, the worst case is that we lose a player who doesn't want to play for us, and we get nothing for him and he has to risk his chances in the draft. The more likely outcome is that we reach an agreement with the Crows (or Port) and this helps us in our negotiations for Treloar, Aish or someone else.

In this increasingly professional, dispassionate world of football business, I don't hold any grudge at all toward this kid. He, and his manager are entitled to use whatever tactics they can to secure the best outcome for him. As a Collingwood supporter, however, I can't help but be somewhat miffed by the seeming lack of gratitude and respect shown to our club, given the support we have shown him, nursing him for 18 months through injury. But at the end of the day, he's entitled to make his call when and how he sees fit. Equally, our club is entitled to do the same. For what it's worth, I think it's time we pulled the trigger on this long drawn out exercise and took control.

If he leaves want a first round pick for him so hope Adelaide go out of finals quickly.

RudeBoy wrote:Let me preface my remarks by declaring I know nothing about the negotiations with his management, nor do I know anything about this kid, or his intentions. But there are some facts which we all know and should be undisputed by all.

Firstly, our club has been trying since the middle of last year.....that's right, since the middle of the 2014 season... to secure his signature.

Secondly, since that time we have heard numerous explanations from him as to why he wouldn't sign a contract extension - "I want to get over my injuries first"..."I want to get some senior games under my belt first"....and then "I'll wait to the end of the season and it will take care of itself".

Thirdly, he has never PUBLICLY, declared he wanted to remain a Collingwood player.

Fourthly, Derek Hine acknowledged back in May that the Crows were circling, and expected to try to entice Scharenberg back to Adelaide.

So in light of those facts, here is my conjecture.

I think there is a strong likelihood that negotiations with us will soon break down and his manager will declare he's had an offer "too good to refuse" from Adelaide.

Before going any further, let's be clear, I have complete faith that our football department are professional enough to know what's the likely outcome and they will negotiate the best outcome for Collingwood. In that case, we could all just remain silent, and let it all take place without comment. But what's the point of Nicks? This is a place for us supporters to air our opinions, right or wrong. Ultimately, nothing said on this site is going to influence any outcome. My comments are meant purely as an expression of my feelings on the matter.

So, from a non-informed supporters perspective, purely as an exercise of amusement on Nicks, what do I think our club should do?

I guess that mainly depends on how much we rate Scharenberg as a player. Personally, I have not been all that impressed by him as a player, despite acknowledging his slow recovery from serious injury. However, given that, in his own words, he sees himself as a half back flanker, I don't think he is the sort of player we are desperately in need of. If he was a project key forward I might have a different attitude. If we rate him as a genuine future star, then we should keep negotiating to try to persuade him to remain a Magpie. In my mind, however, I haven't seen the commitment from him on the field that I've seen from De Goey, Moore, Maynard, Marsh or Ramsay.

So if I was Derek Hine (and our club is no doubt very lucky that i am not, I hear you say), given the delayed bargaining tactics of Scharenberg's manager, I would make a final offer and give him 48 hrs to accept or reject. After then I would then make it known that he is on the trade table and see what we could get for him. We should take the initiative. At the end of the day, the worst case is that we lose a player who doesn't want to play for us, and we get nothing for him and he has to risk his chances in the draft. The more likely outcome is that we reach an agreement with the Crows (or Port) and this helps us in our negotiations for Treloar, Aish or someone else.

In this increasingly professional, dispassionate world of football business, I don't hold any grudge at all toward this kid. He, and his manager are entitled to use whatever tactics they can to secure the best outcome for him. As a Collingwood supporter, however, I can't help but be somewhat miffed by the seeming lack of gratitude and respect shown to our club, given the support we have shown him, nursing him for 18 months through injury. But at the end of the day, he's entitled to make his call when and how he sees fit. Equally, our club is entitled to do the same. For what it's worth, I think it's time we pulled the trigger on this long drawn out exercise and took control.

I agree with everything you have said

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I think his recovery from injury has not been been too slow when considering he did his knee in August 2014 and he has played in 4 AFL games and has been playing since May at VFL level. I suspect that the reason he had a slow transition from VFL to AFL was due to his fitness base and the fact that he had not played for so long.

Who knows what is going on behind closed doors but as you observed there are no encouraging signs or dispalys of committment to the CFC.

If one doesn't want to stay....piss off.

I am not sure why but I keep being drawn back to this thread like a moth to the light. Perhaps it is to see how many pages we can actually compile in this thread before a decision is made.

i gave up thinking this bloke was going to play for collingwood
many moon ago. he shows no energy when on the field or off.
how can he show no emotion or give no feedback to all concerned
about his future with us. not even an introvert or a three toed sloth
would take this long to put pen to paper.