Las Vegas shooting

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It gets more interesting the more you look.

Since the Port Arthur massacre and the gun amnesty that followed, there's some facts that seem to be ignored.

In Australia, between 1997 & 2013, there was 22,310 violent crimes committed where a firearm was the weapon of choice. That's 1,312 offences a year or just over 3.5/daily for 17 years following the much celebrated gun amnesty.

748 people killed or 44 a year... almost 1 person a week.

Yet we hear from the media that Australia's gun control is so fantastic
I thought nobody had guns anymore?

http://www.aic.gov.au/dataTools/facts/w ... Trend.html

Trinidad/Tobago, the third richest country in America after the US & Canada has 1.6 guns/100 people yet their murder rate is 28/100,000 people (annual), the USA, 112 guns/100 people has 4 murders/100,000 people and Australia, 24 guns/100 people has 1 murder/100,000 people.

The USA ranks 107th out of 218 countries in per capita murder rates.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-06-27/ ... rder-rates

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One what?

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apparently thats not quite correct:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-def ... 71639.html

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd03/gun-sta ... ective.htm

one article states approximately 60% of gun deaths are suicides. that year there were 32,000 deaths by gunshot. thats aprox 19,200 suicides that may have been prevented if a gun was not available.

as for the drugs, line the dealers put them all to work breaking rocks. not that kind.

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apparently thats not quite correct:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-def ... 71639.html

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd03/gun-sta ... ective.htm

one article states approximately 60% of gun deaths are suicides. that year there were 32,000 deaths by gunshot. thats aprox 19,200 suicides that may have been prevented if a gun was not available.

as for the drugs, line the dealers put them all to work breaking rocks. not that kind.

Again, proportionately, there isn't much difference in suicide rates.

USA - 12.6 suicides per 100,000 people

Aus - 10.4 suicides per 100,000 people

If someone is going to take their own life, they will, using whatever means they have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate

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Don't mistake my kindness for weakness.

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I can see where you are coming from.

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apparently thats not quite correct:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-def ... 71639.html

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd03/gun-sta ... ective.htm

one article states approximately 60% of gun deaths are suicides. that year there were 32,000 deaths by gunshot. thats aprox 19,200 suicides that may have been prevented if a gun was not available.

as for the drugs, line the dealers put them all to work breaking rocks. not that kind.

Again, proportionately, there isn't much difference in suicide rates.

USA - 12.6 suicides per 100,000 people

Aus - 10.4 suicides per 100,000 people

If someone is going to take their own life, they will, using whatever means they have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate

i dont agree.

sure, some are premeditated, but how many children would be alive if they couldnt access their parents gun? that happens here too. How many teenage mass murderers do so with their parents gun? how many grab a gun in the heat of the moment and use it on themselves or someone else?

How many lives would these points alone save?

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Well the stats don't lie TP.

Suicide rates are almost identical yet the legal gun ownership in the US is 4 times ours.

Gun availability has zero to do with suicides.

The most common method of suicide is hanging followed by pesticide poisoning, firearms are the third method of choice.

The leading method of suicide varies among countries. The leading methods in different regions include hanging, pesticide poisoning, and firearms.[3] These differences are believed to be in part due to availability of the different methods. A review of 56 countries found that hanging was the most common method in most of the countries, accounting for 53% of the male suicides and 39% of the female suicides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide

I know this has gotten was off topic, but, my point is, the gun law line that we are fed is not the golden goose that the anti gun lobby would have us believe.

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line up 32,000 people. thats a lot of people dead from bullets in one year, not in a war zone.

you cant deny a fair portion of those might be alive if not for guns.

[David]

apparently thats not quite correct:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-def ... 71639.html

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd03/gun-sta ... ective.htm

one article states approximately 60% of gun deaths are suicides. that year there were 32,000 deaths by gunshot. thats aprox 19,200 suicides that may have been prevented if a gun was not available.

as for the drugs, line the dealers put them all to work breaking rocks. not that kind.

Again, proportionately, there isn't much difference in suicide rates.

USA - 12.6 suicides per 100,000 people

Aus - 10.4 suicides per 100,000 people

If someone is going to take their own life, they will, using whatever means they have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate

That difference is far from statistically negligible. 2 per 100,000 = almost 500 Australians in a population of 24 million. In the US, that would be over 7000 people. If gun availability is a primary factor in that difference, those are a lot of lives being lost unnecessarily.

The idea that suicide is all about the desire and not the method is nonsense, by the way. Both are required. Firearms just happen to be a particularly quick and straightforward way to do it.

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apparently thats not quite correct:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-def ... 71639.html

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd03/gun-sta ... ective.htm

one article states approximately 60% of gun deaths are suicides. that year there were 32,000 deaths by gunshot. thats aprox 19,200 suicides that may have been prevented if a gun was not available.

as for the drugs, line the dealers put them all to work breaking rocks. not that kind.

Again, proportionately, there isn't much difference in suicide rates.

USA - 12.6 suicides per 100,000 people

Aus - 10.4 suicides per 100,000 people

If someone is going to take their own life, they will, using whatever means they have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate

That difference is far from statistically negligible. 2 per 100,000 = almost 500 Australians in a population of 24 million. In the US, that would be over 7000 people. If gun availability is a primary factor in that difference, those are a lot of lives being lost unnecessarily.

But it isn't.

Sri Lanka has the highest suicide rate in the world (34.6 people per 100,000), they only have 1.5 guns per 100 people (Aus has 25 per 100 people) with a population and gun laws similar to ours.

Sweden has a suicide rate almost identical to the US (12.7 compared to the US 12.6) yet they have some of the strictest gun control laws in the world with a gun ownership rate similar to ours.

France has the same rate as the US, yet less than a third of the gun ownership rate, with strict gun control laws also.