The 2021 Great Big Consolidated Trade & Draft thread

[MJ23]

Hi to all, long time reader first time poster.

I’m interested in Wright publicly flagging an interest in ‘The Weid’ and the ambivalence with which this has seemingly been met.

I am of the opinion that many of our current forward ‘connection’ issues are the result of not having a legitimate KPF. If Wright is able to acquire ‘The Weid’ for a late draft pick (plus or minus player/pic swaps) whist still locking in the Daicos deal, how can this be viewed as a negative?

Worst case scenario is we finally have a legitimate, mature age FF body who will take the oppositions first or second best defender. The ripple effect sees checkers under less defensive heat, floating further up the ground and easing pressure on his goal kicking conversion. Likewise, Cameron will be a legitimate Ruck/forward manned by a 3rd tall and more able to exploit his height advantage. Billy Elliot can then play his natural game without being the focus of our attack, allowing his freakish skills and highlights package to flourish, and upcoming smalls like Ginnivan and Bianco will have actual forward targets to spread from or crumb off giving them some much needed to time grow into their roles. McCreaey adds the pressure factor and Olie Henry gets a few years to run, roam and mark everything in sight without having to stand as an undersized CHF whilst getting smashed and injured by fully grown men.

Further down the line the pressure is off Will Kelly to find his best footy at either end of the ground, Magic Johnson is out of the spotlight, and Begg and McMahon get a few years of breathing space to pack some Keggs on their light frames.

If we can get ‘The Weid’ cheap and park him at FF for the next 3 years - even if he only kicks 20-30 goals a year- the benefits to our teams long term development and confidence seem incalculable.

Thoughts?

Everything you say might be true, except I dont think Weed is capable of being that spearhead. Hes at best only ever going to be a 2nd or 3rd tall and thats at best. Now Id take that if he could deliver but even still Ive not seen it....yet.
That said, If we got him for nothing Im ok.

[5:11pm]

Fair call.

But young talls take time, he’s been behind other legitimate KPF’s, had injuries, and still stood up in a final.

We’re desperate for someone to stand the goal square and provide a target for a few years while the kids get better, and we have salary cap space to attract a big fish.

And it means we can delist Cox

[MJ23]

^ I get it and I agree we need a tall forward.
What I dont want is to keep "trying" players who are in the system and haven't performed. Im actually very hopefull of Begg.
That said, if we got Weed for nothing [more or less] and he then came in and stood up like Mihocek Id be rapt.

[MJ23]

ok, I'll try to be a bit more realistic.

Targeting a FF

Trading:

With King being the one we'd love to get, he's just going to be impossible to land. So who is a realistic target?

Jake Riccardi (195cm, 21yo).
In and out of GWS lineup, been good at VFL level. It's surprising and concerning that he isn't playing that often in their senior lineup. A trade could be facilitated here. Cox and Murphy with an upgrade of picks in the 3rd round.

Callum Coleman-Jones (201cm, 22yo).
Richmond will be asking a hefty price. So I can't see a deal being stuck here. Without spending draft picks, it'd probably take one of Poulter, McCreery, Bianco or Rantall to get it done. I dont think we should pursue that.

Jarrod Brander (195cm, 22yo).
With WCE eyeing off the talls in the draft, and without a contract offer yet to be made, it says he is gettable. Hard to put a trade together... All I got is Sier and a swap of picks.

Sam Weideman (195cm, 24yo).
His value is dropping by the day. In previous years we've heard that it'd take a first round pick to get it done. Not anymore. If we can afford the points (we cant) i'd only offer a third rounder.

Tom Lynch (192cm, 30yo).
As a DFA, there's no trade required. Not the worst idea. It's just that at 30, he could be the next Josh Jenkins.

In the draft:

Jye Amiss (195cm, 18yo).
Playing for East Perth and projected to go around pick 15 in the draft. He could go even earlier.

Jack Williams (195cm, 18yo).
Playing for East Fremantle and projected to go around pick 20.

Jacob van Rooyen (194cm, 18yo).
Played for Claremont and projected to go around pick 25.

Freo/WCE will be watching those three closely. Can we get a pick in the teens to have a crack, thats the problem. All three from WA and have played senior footy in the WAFL this year. It's possible we're eyeing off one of these lads.

Already on the list:

Liam McMahon (194cm, 19yo).
Has shown glimpses in the VFL. If he's going to be our KPF, he needs to bulk up a little. Has not come close to selection yet. Missed a few games to concussion and a covid isolation iirc?

ok, I'll try to be a bit more realistic.

I said try.

Begg on the list at 197cm
Ash Johnson is taller than Henry at 193

[themonk]

Brander is being played wing / midfield. I dont think Allen has gone past him as much as they are stacked with talls and Allen cant play a midfield role while Brander can.

This key forwrad v 2nd forward argument is rubbish. Hes a gun and much better than any other name mentioned including mids . You just get quality if you have a chance - sadly Im not sure we will have the currency.

The guy has played 22 games in 4 years, is he worth more than a 3rd round pick?

Yeah but nearly all the last two seasons including 11 this year. As I said, hes a tall that can play mid. I think hes a talent and Id doubt they let him go cheap.

Playing half a season doesn't mean they can ask for overs.

If we really want him then future 2nd?

[5:11pm]

Begg seems a legitimate prospect, and McMahon looked likely before his concussion woes…. But they need time mate.
Years.

Who knows what Johnson might become and Kelly has the skills but again, needs some time to be buffered from further injury.

We gotta get a man to fill the FF hole and we need it next season. Hopefully we can steal a stop-gap

[Lazza]

^^^^

Agree but I’m not fully convinced that the Weid is the answer. I have been following his career so far and hasn’t really set the world on fire. If we get him cheep so be it but otherwise there may be better options elsewhere. I have this nagging feeling that we want him only because of his surname rather than any incredible talent. Unsure.

[5:11pm]

You’re right…… The surname is definitely enticing!

That being said it appears he’s going dirt cheap, so realistically who else can we get that fits the bill?

Imagine if Checkers or Cameron goes down next year….
Lambs to the slaughter up forward, and a young midfield and HB line full of talent and potential that will be forced to toil in vain and potentially be scarred for years to come.

[piedys]

Obviously we need a big bodied mid to give Tae a chop out in and under, and just as pressingly, we need a legitimate KPF to provide a forward target and create options for other players.

We need it now and we need it cheap…. What other realistic candidates are there?

If you have time to scroll through these trade/DFA threads, a few names we are kicking around [and on the cheap presumably]:

Mitch Wallis, Josh Caddy [can't get a game at Welfare and Tiggers].
That's two hard bodies to protect the kids; get them both.

Josh Jenkins, Tom Lynch [can't get a game at Cats and delsited by Crows]
Both strong grabs and reliable kicks; will last a season or two.

Jake Riccardi would probably cost too much as things stand; GWS love bending Hine over too much.

[Lazza]

You’re right…… The surname is definitely enticing!

That being said it appears he’s going dirt cheap, so realistically who else can we get that fits the bill?

Imagine if Checkers or Cameron goes down next year….
Lambs to the slaughter up forward, and a young midfield and HB line full of talent and potential that will be forced to toil in vain and potentially be scarred for years to come.

Welcome to Nick’s. You make a valid point. He could be the insurance player we need in those circumstances. However it has to be a good value deal. After all Melbourne have decided that Ben Brown is currently better than the Weid. And that is something to consider because Brown is certainly not in the top echelon of AFL players. In this instance the club will know exactly what value he brings and what gap he will fill in the team.

[5:11pm]

Neither Wallis or Caddy are KPF’s.

Wallis would be great in the guts but the heavens would have to open in order to get him.

Caddy is an unreliable also ran…at best.

Jenkins is solid but can’t do another 3 years.

Lynch was a star link up player but once again, is not a KPF and would only be played at the expense of Henry, and mccreary’s development.

I agree on Ricardi’s potential but he’s still young, unproven and most likely would cost more than we have to give.

We’ve been plugging holes up forward for years… if Wright can manufacture an opportunity to land a legitimate FF at a bargain basement price, I say we take it.

Beggars cant be choosers.

[5:11pm]

LAZZA- cheers mate.
Totally agree.
Needs to be a steal, but Wright seems to be the man that can get things done behind closed doors.

[Big T]

Reality is the top clubs know we r years away from competing and hence they r now more likely to do good trades with us for their lesser likes compared to previous years where we were in contention.

Reckon we will land a kpf for a good price.

[5:11pm]

Any love for Luke Dunstan?

[neil]

The last thing we want to do is trade any future picks, play the kids and see what they and this years picks are like. Next year draft or trade for need.
Of course if King want to come next years first is available