2020 US election results

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:43 pm

^Plainly correct. You have to work with the inherited reality. The far left has an entire industry built on false equivalence because it's fundamentalist and thinks 20% might as well be 100%, and is as good as 0%. That's why they fantasised someone who would've spent the entire campaign explaining why he's not a socialist to hysterical idiots would have a better chance of beating Trump than Biden.

Obama did as he did with everything, including healthcare: compromise to move the ball forward in a context of batshit loons all around. You play the hand you're dealt, or you don't play at all. The main criticism was his tentativeness in his first term when he could've pushed his own agenda harder, but most people get the historical burden he was under and the absolute reckless, mental case loons in opposition to him.

You don't create the centre; rather, you inherit it from others, including entire segments of flag-waving whackos.

eddiesmith · Post by **eddiesmith** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:17 pm

doriswilgus wrote:
eddiesmith wrote:
doriswilgus wrote: You don’t think the last four years have been long for most Americans?Did you see the absolute jubilation on the streets of America yesterday when Biden was declared the winner?It looked a people who were celebrating being freed from a great tyranny,and that’s exactly what happened.
So they celebrate like they've won the super bowl, which is fitting for the diehards that treat politics like a football team!

But its good to know those who are blaming Trump for Covid are treating it seriously by having large parties...
The vast majority of these people were wearing masks to protect themselves and others.On the other hand the majority of the thousands of people who turned up at Trump’s rallies were not wearing masks and were more likely to spread the virus.Trump himself openly mocked people who were wearing masks,very responsible of him,But I suppose you have no problem with people not wearing masks at Trump’s rallies because they’re Republicans?

Masks outdoors are a waste of time, but as I’ve says before I do t care about Trump, Biden, Democrats or Republicans. I was just hoping Trump won for the tantrums

Btw if the MAJORITY of Americans are so happy, why didn’t they bother to vote for Biden?

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:23 pm

David wrote:That's true, but the US did (along with a number of European states) decide to join the conflict, and most observers today are of the view that they left things in a worse state than when they started. I think it's also fair to surmise that the NATO intervention wouldn't have taken place without US involvement.

watt price tully wrote:
Jezza wrote: "Tyranny"? Far out you would think the American people were living under a dictatorship for four years. Stop being hysterical.

Americans were celebrating in 2016 as well. Imagine my shock that 50% of the population is happy their candidate won.
Libya says hello.

Tell me how well the country is functioning today because of Obama and Hillary Clinton?
As well the Republican started Iraq and Afghanistan which has led to Syria, Yemen and wait for it.... Libya. Don’t go all Alzheimers on me

doriswilgus · Post by **doriswilgus** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:25 pm

eddiesmith wrote:Masks outdoors are a waste of time, but as I’ve says before I do t care about Trump, Biden, Democrats or Republicans. I was just hoping Trump won for the tantrums

Btw if the MAJORITY of Americans are so happy, why didn’t they bother to vote for Biden?

What are you talking about?Biden did win a majority of votes.He’s currently four and a half million votes ahead of the other guy,and he will end up more than 6 million votes ahead at least.That’s a majority,

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:25 pm

eddiesmith wrote:Btw if the MAJORITY of Americans are so happy, why didn’t they bother to vote for Biden?

Did you really post that. Need to brush up on your American history and politics. Goodness me.

Post by **Jezza** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:44 pm

David wrote:Jezza can answer for himself, of course, but I do note that he's on record on here many times opposing those wars too.

Correct, David

watt price tully wrote:Whether Jezza supports or doesn’t support wars is neither here nor there. If you want to finger point then don’t omit some basic facts facts to suit a narrative.

We're talking about Obama's foreign policy agenda.

I have no issue calling out Bush's disastrous foreign policy doctrine of nation building in the Middle East and leaving a trail of destruction behind it.

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:08 pm

Jezza wrote:
David wrote:Jezza can answer for himself, of course, but I do note that he's on record on here many times opposing those wars too.
Correct, David

watt price tully wrote:Whether Jezza supports or doesn’t support wars is neither here nor there. If you want to finger point then don’t omit some basic facts facts to suit a narrative.
We're talking about Obama's foreign policy agenda.

I have no issue calling out Bush's disastrous foreign policy doctrine of nation building in the Middle East and leaving a trail of destruction behind it.

That’s true but you can’t talk about it in isolation as it becomes devoid of meaning. Text minus context does that.

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:10 pm

doriswilgus wrote:
eddiesmith wrote:Masks outdoors are a waste of time, but as I’ve says before I do t care about Trump, Biden, Democrats or Republicans. I was just hoping Trump won for the tantrums

Btw if the MAJORITY of Americans are so happy, why didn’t they bother to vote for Biden?
What are you talking about?Biden did win a majority of votes.He’s currently four and a half million votes ahead of the other guy,and he will end up more than 6 million votes ahead at least.That’s a majority,

And a huge swag of electoral college votes.

doriswilgus · Post by **doriswilgus** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:14 pm

watt price tully wrote:
doriswilgus wrote:
eddiesmith wrote:Masks outdoors are a waste of time, but as I’ve says before I do t care about Trump, Biden, Democrats or Republicans. I was just hoping Trump won for the tantrums

Btw if the MAJORITY of Americans are so happy, why didn’t they bother to vote for Biden?
What are you talking about?Biden did win a majority of votes.He’s currently four and a half million votes ahead of the other guy,and he will end up more than 6 million votes ahead at least.That’s a majority,
And a huge swag of electoral college votes.

Yes,that’s true.Interestingly,it looks like Biden’s going to get 306 electoral college votes,the same as Trump got in 2016,but with 6% more of the vote than Trump got back then.That does suggest that the electoral college does heavily favour the Republicans.

Post by **David** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:27 pm

eddiesmith · Post by **eddiesmith** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:23 pm

doriswilgus wrote:
eddiesmith wrote:Masks outdoors are a waste of time, but as I’ve says before I do t care about Trump, Biden, Democrats or Republicans. I was just hoping Trump won for the tantrums

Btw if the MAJORITY of Americans are so happy, why didn’t they bother to vote for Biden?
What are you talking about?Biden did win a majority of votes.He’s currently four and a half million votes ahead of the other guy,and he will end up more than 6 million votes ahead at least.That’s a majority,

As David pointed out, only 32% of eligible American voters actually voted for Biden, so for you to claim the vast majority of Americans are glad to get rid of Trump is a complete lie, more than 1/3 don't actually give a shit!

doriswilgus · Post by **doriswilgus** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:33 pm

No,it’s a not lie.America doesn’t have compulsory voting so no candidate ever gets more than 50% of the population’s vote.I never said the vast majority of the public don’t like Trump,I said the majority didn’t like him,which is hard to argue against.

But Biden clearly got the majority of the people who did vote,which gives him a greater claim to victory than Trump.Your claim that the majority of people didn’t care about Trump because they didn’t vote is specious and unproven.You don’t know what these people think and why they didn’t vote.You can’t say that these people didn’t give a shit about him.You’re just building a straw man argument to justify your claim that most people don’t care about Trump.

eddiesmith · Post by **eddiesmith** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:49 pm

But if they hated him, they'd vote like those 32% of people did, clearly the 38% of people who didn't vote don't hate him and obviously the 30% who did vote for him don't either, which means 68% of Americans don't hate the man or think their country was as bad the last 4 years as you claimed.

It's funny the left over here do nothing but bitch and whinge about the media, hell you've now got an ex PM blaming the media for him losing and his party being hated by majority of Australians, yet you then take the medias word that everyone hates Trump, its quite remarkable.

You hate bias in the media in Australia and support it in the US

Post by **David** » Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:03 pm

pietillidie · Post by **pietillidie** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:01 am

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2020 US election results