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David wrote: | We're all disgusted and outraged by these atrocities, but this kind of Christian fundamentalist anti-Islamic propaganda isn't helping. |
It's real David those men are dead, not propaganda to them or thier families, it's reality.whats not helping is letting these fcuktards play with knives, they are just evil _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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David wrote: | We're all disgusted and outraged by these atrocities, but this kind of Christian fundamentalist anti-Islamic propaganda isn't helping. |
I disagree. This served as an excellent reminder that once ISIS is sorted, there is still some important work to be done in the mid-west of the USA. The comments are particularly illuminating. |
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^ Ouch! _________________ �Let's eat Grandma.� Commas save lives! |
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David wrote: | We're all disgusted and outraged by these atrocities, but this kind of Christian fundamentalist anti-Islamic propaganda isn't helping. |
Neither is the appeasing of these muslim monsters. |
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think positive wrote: | David wrote: | We're all disgusted and outraged by these atrocities, but this kind of Christian fundamentalist anti-Islamic propaganda isn't helping. |
It's real David those men are dead, not propaganda to them or thier families, it's reality.whats not helping is letting these fcuktards play with knives, they are just evil |
What's reality is that a group of innocent Coptic Christians were executed by the same group causing havoc in Syria and Iraq killing anyone who disagrees with their specific interpretation of Islam (including many Muslims). Everything else in the link you posted is bullshit anti-Islamic rhetoric by a Christian fundamentalist seeking to exploit their deaths for personal gain.
What personal gain, you may ask? The reason that opportunistic Christians use these events to demonise all Muslims is that it allows them to construct an us vs them narrative, in which "us" is construed as "Judeo-Christian" Western culture (even though nowadays it's mostly secular) and "them" are Muslims. It's a way of strengthening their own church/sect/cult/whatever, just as racist political parties use this issue to try to convince people to see these conflicts as ethnically based. It's all cynical opportunism, and intelligent people should see through it in a heartbeat.
In reality, "us" incorporates all citizens of the world trying to live peacefully and harmoniously with each other, whether they be atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu or Christian, and "them" are a relatively small group on the other side of the world (and a few fellow travellers here and elsewhere) causing misery for everyone, Muslim and Christian alike, who has the misfortune to come into their path. It makes for a very different narrative, doesn't it? _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
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David wrote: | think positive wrote: | David wrote: | We're all disgusted and outraged by these atrocities, but this kind of Christian fundamentalist anti-Islamic propaganda isn't helping. |
It's real David those men are dead, not propaganda to them or thier families, it's reality.whats not helping is letting these fcuktards play with knives, they are just evil |
What's reality is that a group of innocent Coptic Christians were executed by the same group causing havoc in Syria and Iraq killing anyone who disagrees with their specific interpretation of Islam (including many Muslims). Everything else in the link you posted is bullshit anti-Islamic rhetoric by a Christian fundamentalist seeking to exploit their deaths for personal gain.
What personal gain, you may ask? The reason that opportunistic Christians use these events to demonise all Muslims is that it allows them to construct an us vs them narrative, in which "us" is construed as "Judeo-Christian culture" (even though nowadays it's mostly secular) and "them" are Muslims. In reality, "us" incorporates all citizens of the world trying to live peacefully and harmoniously with each other, whether they be atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu or Christian. It makes for a very different narrative, doesn't it? |
$£$%^%%$ hell david, I made no comment on any of that. next time ill try to find a link that just states the cold hard fact:
21, YES 20 $£$%^%%$ ONE INNOCENT MEN HAD THEIR HEADS CUT OFF IN COLD PAINFUL BLOOD, FOR NO REASON AT ALL, EXCEPT THEY DIDNT AGREE WITH THE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OF A BUNCH OF PHYSCOTIC GUTLESS BULLY #%&*HEADS IN MASKS APPRENTLY IN THE NAME OF A PEACFUL GOD!
is that better? _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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think positive wrote: | next time ill try to find a link that just states the cold hard fact |
Please do. It would be infinitely preferable to bigoted propaganda.
Skids wrote: | Can't stand any religion, IMO all fairytale stuff. But muslims, they're just dangerous. Don't give me the spruik that it's just the extremists , it's far from the religion of peace. I'm supporting the Royal Australian Infidels (supporting our troops)! |
Speaking of fairytales, you seem to have swallowed a pretty good one there. I think I posted a statistic a while back that known members of Islamic extremist groups account for something like 0.02% of the world's Muslim population. So, essentially you're defaming something like a billion people. _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
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The militant Islamic terrorist group ISIS has released a video called A MESSAGE SIGNED WITH BLOOD TO THE NATION OF THE CROSS showing the beheadings of 21 Egyptian Christians who had been kidnapped in Libya. Can you imagine the outcry if 21 Muslims had been beheaded by Christians? Where is the universal condemnation by Muslim leaders around the world? Here are the names of these brave Christians who are no longer walking this earth:
1. Milad Makeen Zaky
2. Abanub Ayad Atiya
3. Maged Solaiman Shehata
4. Yusuf Shukry Yunan
5. Kirollos Shokry Fawzy
6. Bishoy Astafanus Kamel21
7. Somaily Astafanus Kamel
8. Malak Ibrahim Sinweet
9. Tawadros Yusuf Tawadros
10. Girgis Milad Sinweet
11. Mina Fayez Aziz
12. Hany Abdelmesih Salib
13. Bishoy Adel Khalaf
14. Samuel Alham Wilson
15. Worker from Awr village
16. Ezat Bishri Naseef
17. Loqa Nagaty
18. Gaber Munir Adly
19. Esam Badir Samir
20. Malak Farag Abram
21. Sameh Salah Faruq
Please keep their families and loved ones in prayer. They so much need your prayers as they go through such horrific agony right now. _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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there you go, that's all i see when I look at that page, im not stupid enough to get taken in by the rest, and I don't need to read between the lines
"just the fax mam, just the fax." _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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Quote: | Can you imagine the outcry if 21 Muslims had been beheaded by Christians? Where is the universal condemnation by Muslim leaders around the world? |
See, that's such a cheap, throw-away line. Do you (or does he) want me to Google that for you? Do we have to do that each time an extremist group does something horrible and Muslim leaders around the world express their horror and sympathy (as if we somehow expect them to take responsibility for it)? But he doesn't actually want an answer; it's written as a rhetorical question. Some people just don't want to listen. _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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The militant Islamic terrorist group ISIS has released a video called A MESSAGE SIGNED WITH BLOOD TO THE NATION OF THE CROSS showing the beheadings of 21 Egyptian Christians who had been kidnapped in Libya. Here are the names of these brave Christians who are no longer walking this earth:
1. Milad Makeen Zaky
2. Abanub Ayad Atiya
3. Maged Solaiman Shehata
4. Yusuf Shukry Yunan
5. Kirollos Shokry Fawzy
6. Bishoy Astafanus Kamel21
7. Somaily Astafanus Kamel
8. Malak Ibrahim Sinweet
9. Tawadros Yusuf Tawadros
10. Girgis Milad Sinweet
11. Mina Fayez Aziz
12. Hany Abdelmesih Salib
13. Bishoy Adel Khalaf
14. Samuel Alham Wilson
15. Worker from Awr village
16. Ezat Bishri Naseef
17. Loqa Nagaty
18. Gaber Munir Adly
19. Esam Badir Samir
20. Malak Farag Abram
21. Sameh Salah Faruq
Please keep their families and loved ones in prayer. They so much need your prayers as they go through such horrific agony right now. _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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There you go fixed for the second time.
But since you so like to pull out lines form stories, while ignoring the pure horror of the whole context, you know, like you did with the grey hound thread, how about you answer this rheotoric question:
Can you imagine the outcry if 21 Muslims had been beheaded by Christians? _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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think positive wrote: | There you go fixed for the second time.
But since you so like to pull out lines form stories, while ignoring the pure horror of the whole context, you know, like you did with the grey hound thread, how about you answer this rheotoric question:
Can you imagine the outcry if 21 Muslims had been beheaded by Christians? |
That is the point but the do gooders can't see it, these monsters can and they are using the do gooders in the west to help them survive and thrive! |
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Yes it's all well and good to criticise anti-Islamic propaganda but the very same people who do this don't seem all that concerned by the criticism of Christianity when acts are committed in their name. The double standards is astonishing to be honest.
The condemnation of the deaths of Coptic Christians at the hands of ISIS fighters in Libya needs to be overwhelmingly condemned by everyone especially by Muslims who want to distance themselves from such associations and to send out a strong message that this isn't a part of their religious make-up but the problem is though is that we're not seeing enough being done by Islamic communities to address these problems, and Islamic academics even admit that this is the case if you watch well-informed documentaries about Islamic extremism on YouTube. As a result this feeds into a level of mistrust between Muslims and Non-Muslims.
The Islamic State claims to be as Islamic as it comes and to a point they're not wrong here even though people are doing no favours by calling them "un-Islamic". ISIS follows a strict form of Sunni Islamism specifically Wahhabism so enough of this rhetoric that they are not Islamic and as such they're not a representation of the Islamic faith and Islamism.
In regards to this idea that 0.02% of the whole world Muslim population are fighting for ISIS this is true but what isn't being taken into account is how many Muslims either support or sympathise with ISIS' cause within areas they control or are fighting in and of course those living in Western secular democracies such as Australia, England and France for example. I suspect the overwhelming majority of Shia and Kurdish Muslims are against ISIS but the figure would be interesting amongst Sunni Muslims who make up the dominate sect of Islam and how many agree or sympathise with ISIS' cause to begin with.
The figures suggest that support for Al-Qaeda (a group similar to ISIS in many aspects barring a few small differences) is a minority in most Middle-Eastern and Muslim-dominated countries but it's not 1% as many are led to believe according to these figures conducted a few years back as the link below provides. The most frightening figure for mine is that 23% of Muslims surveyed in Indonesia have favourable attitudes towards Al-Qaeda so that's nearly one in four Muslims so this idea it's just less than 1% is a complete myth and needs to be busted now.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/ _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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David wrote: |
Speaking of fairytales, you seem to have swallowed a pretty good one there. I think I posted a statistic a while back that known members of Islamic extremist groups account for something like 0.02% of the world's Muslim population. So, essentially you're defaming something like a billion people. |
What percentage of White Americans belong to the Ku Klux Klan?
What percentage of Americans authorised the bombing of Japan in WWII?
Very flimsy argument David.
How bout finding a stat about what percentage of Muslims live in countries where the laws are based on Islam, where women are oppressed and those Muslims have no need to do anything that could have them labelled as an extremist but they would not be allowed to practice that lifestyle in a Western country? _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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