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qldmagpie67
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Watching AFL 360 and Robbo brought up that 2 days prior to the Essendon saga collingwood had 6 players self report for illicit recreational drug use.
Now I vaguely remember this and looking back at AFL records 43 players throughout the competition self reported during that reporting year so why state only 6 collingwood players.
He made the inference that he was going to start a campaign that he AFL needs to tackle the issue head on at club level. Whilst he didn't name collingwood he said he had heard many stories from recently retired players about players using recreational drugs all the time.
Twice he said he wouldn't name the players or the club but he kept mentioning that he had spoken to Eddie a few times recently about the issue since Keefe & Thomas tested positive.
For mine he wanted to say its all at collingwood but he knows the legal ramifications would be extreme.
We don't know the actual source of the positive test for Keefe & Thomas yet but it appears to me he wants to make the drug issue front page news and he wants Keefe & Thomas (and collingwood) the big story. |
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Why worry about rec drugs?
Unless they are performance enhancing - why bother.
The world is awash with drugs from legal to illegal.
But the AFL and clubs like ours must be the moral bastions
of society.
I will tell you a secret - the war on drugs is lost, ask President Nixon
when he got that drug addict Presley down to the White House as an anti
drug champion.
We have a few players whose careers may be over because they took illegal drugs that were not pure - the crim gangs that deal with this crap
don' t care what is in this shit.
The question is;
Are we a football team or a team of saints!
You know on a different thread a poster said one reason
we picked Mason Cox is that Collingwood noticed he held
out a door for a woman.
He had great character which maybe true but i don't care about that, I care
about winning.
Ask Darren Millane about character.
Does character on a football field matter more than off field?
I fear we have got it mixed up.
This is a big question. _________________ we don't eat our own at collingwood we just allow them to foul our nest. |
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David
to wish impossible things
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: the edge of the deep green sea
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Would certainly make things interesting if Keeffe and Thomas were two of the six players. Was this before the club was notified of the positive test? _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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uuuuu..... The LoneSTAR
Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Location: Under negotiation
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thompsoc wrote: | Why worry about rec drugs? |
I've always thought that if we're talking about something illegal, then let the law deal with it - Just like in real life 😊
As for what type of player I generally want in my team - Bad boy naturally gifted footballer with attitude OR very good clean skin footballer with application!?!?.......
You gotta go the nerd. |
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The Prototype
Paint my face with a good-for-nothin smile.
Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Location: Hobart, Tasmania
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Robbos article last year indicated that one club had more than 6 players self report more than once, so I am not sure why he's so worried about Collingwood. The league has a drug problem not just Collingwood by the sounds of it, but what can Collingwood do? The club has no idea who they are so they cannot help them, thanks to the AFL's rules.
Yet Robbo managed to proclaim he had AFL player medical records, how'd he get them? Why hasn't he been issued a please explain? _________________ Ðavâgé
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Location: The 18
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18 clubs, 43 reports, 6 allegedly from our players.
If accurate that would mean we were over represented and things start to become clearer us to why talk of culture problems have existed for a few seasons now and the problems that Buckley seemingly inherited as coach.
It would go some way also to explain why we weren't able to maintain the same level of sustained success since 2011 unlike the hawks because something was beginning to rot at our core.
Funny how two clubs formerly coached by Malthouse (the problem started at WC when he was at the helm IMO) seem to have developed the biggest problem with illicit drug taking within the playing group.
Thank God we now have a coach who isn't prepared to look the other way and hopefully the club will be the stronger for it going forward. _________________ He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
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ronrat
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: Thailand
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Robbo should tell what drugs he is on . Although it it is pretty obvious that none of them are mind expanding, performance enhancing, or weight reducing. _________________ Annoying opposition supporters since 1967. |
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rand corp
Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: south east asia
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Young men and women taking recreational drugs is a massive issue in society and our club is right in the mix. Club is I hope doing all it can to educate and discourage it in our lads and I for one wouldn't mind at all if they tested their employees for social drugs
It looks like Keeffe and Thomas ingested it as a cut with another 'social' drug and this will cost them their careers, hope the other players learn and wake up to this harsh reality. |
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qldmagpie67
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
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swoop42 wrote: | 18 clubs, 43 reports, 6 allegedly from our players.
If accurate that would mean we were over represented and things start to become clearer us to why talk of culture problems have existed for a few seasons now and the problems that Buckley seemingly inherited as coach.
It would go some way also to explain why we weren't able to maintain the same level of sustained success since 2011 unlike the hawks because something was beginning to rot at our core.
Funny how two clubs formerly coached by Malthouse (the problem started at WC when he was at the helm IMO) seem to have developed the biggest problem with illicit drug taking within the playing group.
Thank God we now have a coach who isn't prepared to look the other way and hopefully the club will be the stronger for it going forward. |
Swoop agree but my concerns also was he named collingwood as the club who had 6 players self report when he could have said 43 players from all clubs self reported. He broke the story 2 days prior to the Essendon doping scandal and now he returns to it 2 & 1/2 yrs later for what reason ?
Also he mentioned Eddie on around 4 separate occasions basically implying it was our club who had the problem.
Eddie has made it clear use drugs get caught = get sacked so why would Robbo worry about us.
Drugs is a national issue not just collingwood I'm sure we have or had players who had issues it stands to reason ith so many young men with decent income levels.
The MM bit makes you ponder looking at Mainwarring & Cousins and lord know how many others at WC there were rumors MM let the players run there own race to a large degree as long as results happened on field. Maybe Eddie wasn't completely open about why MM had to go and we needed a total clean out. Would actually make logical sense if this was the case in changing so many players and bucks changing culture speech. |
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burnsy17
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[quote="ronrat"]Robbo should tell what drugs he is on . Although it it is pretty obvious that none of them are mind expanding, performance enhancing, or weight reducing.[/quote
Maybe instead of worrying about players on illicit drugs, Robbo should look a little closer at his own colleagues first and maybe do a little digging around.... Im sure it wont take long to uncover a few interesting Footy TV types partaking in some recreational drugs.
I wonder what will happen if those reporting on it, are being reported about?
Just a thought _________________ Beware the swooping Magpie. |
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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uuuuu..... The LoneSTAR wrote: | thompsoc wrote: | Why worry about rec drugs? |
I've always thought that if we're talking about something illegal, then let the law deal with it - Just like in real life 😊
As for what type of player I generally want in my team - Bad boy naturally gifted footballer with attitude OR very good clean skin footballer with application!?!?.......
You gotta go the nerd. |
Would you like to recruit Lance Franklin?
Given the rumours about him! _________________ we don't eat our own at collingwood we just allow them to foul our nest. |
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Johnny1975
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The idea that recreational drugs are not a concern of clubs is naïve, at best. For one thing, football and its clubs are entwined with society, and society has an increasing problem with particular narcotics. More seriously for mine is the fact that football provides its own dangers to young men. Players are getting paid big money to have a kick of footy, big money which means that they often have no meaningful pursuit in life other than football and hanging out with mates.
This doesn't mean that the AFL needs to take an ultra-punitive approach. Instead, I think it means that the AFL and clubs and the ALFPA need to take some responsibility for the lives and general wellbeing of the young people who play the game, and also (by extension) the people who love the game. A more rigorous drugs policy is a start, but there also needs to be incentives and opportunities for players to do something other than play football and cultivate a media profile. The reality of professional football is warped, and it doesn't surprise me that players sometimes find harmful ways of passing the time.
Just for the record, I don't want a team of Boy Scouts. I appreciate a sharp edge in a footy team as much as the next person, maybe more so, but there's nothing especially hard or individualistic about players who are allowed to develop a drug problem. Perhaps the sky isn't quite falling in relation to illegal drugs in footy, but there should be no question that there is a problem and that the AFL and clubs have a duty of care to respond. _________________ Go Pies. |
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Culprit
Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Port Melbourne
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If the AFL, AFLPA & AFL Clubs were serious it would be zero tolerance. What we have is two sets of rules. No wonder Footballers think they are untouchable. If you get pulled over by a drug bus and test positive the police don't send you on your way and say you get a second chance. You kill someone whilst behind the wheel of your car drug affected you don't get a second chance. If you drive a Semi trailer, Aircraft and test positive there is no second chance. There is no way a footballer should get a second chance. I heard Bartlett on SEN say the young ones should get a second chance. There is enough information and classes provided from TAC upwards about the issue. |
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Johnny1975
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Culprit wrote: | If the AFL, AFLPA & AFL Clubs were serious it would be zero tolerance. What we have is two sets of rules. No wonder Footballers think they are untouchable. If you get pulled over by a drug bus and test positive the police don't send you on your way and say you get a second chance. You kill someone whilst behind the wheel of your car drug affected you don't get a second chance. If you drive a Semi trailer, Aircraft and test positive there is no second chance. There is no way a footballer should get a second chance. I heard Bartlett on SEN say the young ones should get a second chance. There is enough information and classes provided from TAC upwards about the issue. |
Footballers aren't driving a bus, flying a plane, or driving a car. When it comes down to it, all they're doing is having a kick of the footy on the weekend, and for this pleasure they are paid mightily, but they are also required to submit to the sort of scrutiny which just doesn't apply to most occupations. If there is a double standard, then it isn't really in the favour of the players at all, at least not compared to other workplaces.
For what it's worth, I think that the three-strikes policy is too lenient, and that the marginalization of clubs in the drug-testing process is unhelpful. I'm not sure what the answer is, but a zero tolerance policy which banishes kids just because they have a minor (and potentially major) drug problem seems like the height of neglect. _________________ Go Pies. |
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uuuuu..... The LoneSTAR
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Most would agree that education should be a cornerstone of any illicit drug policy for the AFL. This should also incorporate programs to ensure that players have off field options available to them in order to help prevent 'idle hands'! It's very important that each club cater to their own playing group in this regard.
Still, I'm not sure that the AFL should be running their own kangaroo court. There are laws for illegal substances that blanket society. |
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