Deportation

[Wokko]

[Morrigu]

[David]

Wokko and Stui, the mistake you're making is that I'm not making any claims regarding proportionality. My assertion is based on sheer weight of numbers, and the reasonable presumption that the immigration rate will not rise significantly in the foreseeable future. "All the migration from Muslim countries" still accounts for only 2% of the Australian population (well, actually, the total percentage of Muslims is 2.2%; considering that a decent number of those would have been born here, the percentage of Muslim immigrants is even smaller).

Morrigu, my opinion is 'fact', in this instance�are you seriously suggesting that the rate of crime committed by people born outside Australia could conceivably have reached 50%? Clearly, it's nowhere near that.

Of course, it would be helpful if police and government sources made these statistics more easily available. Though there may be more recent charts�that was just the first one I found.

(I do acknowledge that my reference to 'true blue Aussies' could have been interpreted as a reference to ethnicity; I was referring to all Australian-born Australians. Remember that this discussion began with the issue of deportation. The question of whether your parents came from overseas is irrelevant to that issue.)

[Morrigu]

David your opinion is just opinion it is not fact - if and when you come up with reputable conclusive evidence to prove that your opinion is fact then I will be happy to revisit it.

You seriously need to learn more about statistics and accurately interpreting them - and you need to understand that data capture in this area is woeful and inaccurate.

I give you one example in the last WEEK 8 inmates of the correctional facility my brother works at had reviews of their recorded status amended as they had claimed they were Indigenous or Torres Strait Islanders - 3 were Islanders, 2 were Maori and 3 were Somali lol - yep - good quality stats there

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[David]

Just throwing this in here:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-26/davidsonrefugee/2732220

[swoop42]

I bet if the police were allowed to report the truth then the statistics would back up my gut feel from decades of watching and reading news reports.

Violent home invasions, kidnapping, gang related violence, organised crime, drive by shootings, major drug importation, multi person assaults, gang rape, people trafficking are just a few things off the top of my head which I feel first generation Australians or migrants would be over represented in.

This country feels far more violent than it was 20 to 30 years ago and the one constant during that period would be a further growth in ethnic proportionality.

Perhaps people with seemingly different ways of life, belief systems, personal experiences and religious backgrounds just weren't meant to mix together in large amounts.

We are far more multicultural than most if not all of the countries most of our migrants come from these days and I dare say we wouldn't be afforded the same tolerance in large parts of Asia, the Middle East and Africa if we descended on mass but the question is how much more multicultural can we become until the values this country were founded on become lost in a maze of good intentions and white liberal guilt.

I don't want a big Australia, do you?

Allahu Akbar.

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[David]

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By "we" do you mean you and me? I double dare you.

[ronrat]

Why would anyone use statistics to base any argument on ethnic crimes? Bloody useless.

Most Australians of European descent, particularly British, will report crime to the Police. Because there is a reasonable prospect of property recovery, insurance payouts, punishment of offenders and compensation. So these all get thrown in the stats. What won't be in there are victimless crimes, and crimes on criminals. Noone is going to report there weed plant was stolen or a kiddy porn collection. Those figures are too small anyway to be meaningful and too be honest who really cares.

Can we rely on statistics that did not include institutional crime such as the child molestation rings that operated within church and state run organisations that not only covered up the crime but harboured the criminal and punished the victim.

Do these stats include the Chinese triads who run loan sharking, sex slavery and extortion within the Chinese communities. I think not.

Those seeking refuge, the legitimate ones, from Sudan, Afhganistan and in the past the Cambodians and Vietnamese have a fear of police. If they get bashed in the street by one of their own and robbed of 50 bucks they front up to casualty, get treated and go home. They will not report it to police. They may seek other forms of retaliation within there own community.
Many of the Italians post second world war allowed the Mafia to flourish. Having lived under Mussolini they didn't trust coppers and the Mafia could bring the wrong doer to "justice'. Aided and abetted by a church that grew rich on the proceeds.

And now we are dealing with idiots who allow their 12 year old daughters to marry 27 year olds because they believe that Sharia law is higher than the Australian law and he was worried about her having sex. Whilst he and the "husband" will do time it makes you wonder if this is an isolated case. Or will it be driven underground now as will the equally odious female genital mutilation.

The soft migrants, the Greeks etc who came over to work on the great project like the Snowy river scheme and the like were largely happy to have an honest police system and once language problems were overcome it was all good. But who knows what crimes were never reported.

Had it all be detected and correctly acted on I am sure that the deportation in the past of some Nazis, SS guards, Irish pedophile priests, sex slavers and loan sharks would hardly of worried most of us then and now

Now tell me which part of the statistics is going to be adjusted to include the slaves working in illegal brothels, the kids forced to work in family sweatshops to pay off Dads gambling debts, the muslim 13 year old getting raped nightly by a 30 year old "husband', the little girl being mutilated by a non medically trained Iman the 9 year old who still wets the bed because his local clergyman is touching him up and his Mum doesn't believe him.

It is best if you want to spout bullshit using statistics you start using the really damning ones which are the crime rate and imprisonment figures for the remnants of our Indigeneous people.