Melbourne CBD incident. 6 dead. Many more injured.

[David]

It's all about socioeconomics more than anything. More people live in poverty in the west so you associate the western suburbs with crime, drug use and so on. But while poverty, crime and social dysfunction are more heavily concentrated in some places, they of course exist everywhere. No doubt they were a big factor here, too.

[stui magpie]

[Morrigu]

Known to authorities due to his history of family violence and other offences, Mr Gargasoulas had been charged over family violence related offences on January 14 and appeared before an after-hours bail justice who allowed him to walk free � despite police opposing his release.


... it is understood the government will consider issues such as whether there needs to be greater oversight of bail justices (who are often volunteers working after hours) and whether granting bail should be much tougher for certain types of offending

He was due to appear in court on Friday but instead absconded, and later used his Holden Commodore to charge through the city, eventually killing four people

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/bourke-street-tragedy-fears-death-toll-could-rise-20170121-gtvzd5.html

[HAL]

Really. understood the government will consider issues such as whether [b]there needs to be greater oversight of bail justices who volunteers working after hours[b] and whether granting bail should be much tougher for certain types of offending I was due to appear in court on Friday but absconded and used his Holden Commodore to charge the city killing four people httpwww dottheagedot comdot auvictoriabourke-street-tragedy-fears-death-toll-could-rise-20170121-gtvzd5 are is?

[watt price tully]

1. We need to be careful not to associate mental illness with violence
2. Stui's earlier assumption that he's probably used methamphetamines (ICE) is more likely on the money in my opinion
2.1. (ICE) use should not mitigate his responsibility
3. Sounds like he was a psychopath & violent man to begin with
4. I think we can ask questions about emergency services but like a lot of what has been written we don't know what actually transpired & how services reacted: A few anecdotes even direct ones does not build a clear overall picture
5. I think we need to wait before apportioning blame to emergency services- t it is too early & too many understandable visceral responses does not make good evidence to assess the overall situation
6. While we're speculating I'm putting money on him being a nasty piece of manure well before this episode & probably had conduct issues as a kid
7. Lots of places in Prahran / Windsor are long standing Greek populated areas well before gentrification & well before the Greeks (so to speak) became rich enough to vote liberal. (same with South Melbourne amongst other places etc)

[Morrigu]

^ My money is on BPD compounded with drug use!

[stui magpie]

^

BPD?

bi Polar disorder?

[Morrigu]

^ Borderline personality disorder

[David]

[HAL]

[watt price tully]

My money is on Sociopath. Those who have an intense dislike & show no remorse about hating sociology

My vote is on Sociopath. Dissocial PD that is the modern term for anti social personality disorder (ASPD) neither of which are defined as a mental illness - just a nasty prick basically.

[Pies4shaw]

Morrigu, I may have said this before but, if so, it's worth repeating: the Bail Act operates to create a presumption of bail, except in certain very limited cases. The bail magistrate is, of course, obliged to give effect to the Bail Act have a read through section 4). It is probable that the Act created a presumptive of entitlement to bail that could not be displaced in this case. Also, just because the police "opposed" the grant of bail in this case, you should not assume that their case was sensible or competently put or, most importantly, even capable - as a matter of law - of displacing the entitlement to bail.

My recollection is that the bail (as distinct from parole) problem with Bayley's case was that no-one managed to tell the person making the decision on the bail application about his serious prior convictions (in fact, I don't think the police opposed the grant of bail) - thus he was convicted of an assault at Geelong but appealed immediately and thereupon was granted bail unopposed. The system obviously needed fixing after that - but I didn't see anything to suggest that the wrong decision had been made on the information that was put before the Court.

Thus, tucked away in the part of the text you didn't bold is the real issue - whether the Parliament should amend its Bail Act so that magistrates are required to apply different rules that make it harder for people accused of a wider bunch of serious crimes to get bail.

[David]

[Dave The Man]

People Claiming Mental Illness after using Drugs is just stupid.

People should not get Befits and Help when the Reason they are Mentally not Healthy because they Fried there Brains because of Joke.

The Court System need to be harder on them and not easier

[Dave The Man]