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inxs88
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Between trades to Hawks 2006-2015:
1. Peter Everitt
2. Brent Guerra
3. Stewart Dew
4. Josh Gibson
5. David Hale
6. Shaun Burgoyne
7. Jack Gunston
8. Cameron Bruce
9. Jonathan Simpkin
10. Matt Spanghe
11. Ben McEvoy
12. Jono O'Rourke
13. James Frawley
A fair strike rate!
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Bob Sugar
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We might be good at spotting young talent, but we've been absolutely shithouse recruiting mature age guys lately, infact id go as far to say every mature age player we've recruited under Bucks has been a waste.
Lynch
Young
White
Russel
Armstrong
Let's hope Varcoe and Greenwood pay off.
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droversdog65
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With MA injury is the elephant in the room but I'll grant that we haven't had rousing success in this area.
Other considerations are availability regarding list requirements and sheer player preference. It's not like the draft where a player's name is called out like at a cattle auction and he's sold.
Having said that we simply haven't secured the healthy and relevent players we needed in recent years.
Certainly an area we can improve upon. |
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Darkstranger
Joined: 06 Jun 2012
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1. Peter Everett (Won all Aust with them so fair result)
2. Brent Guerra (steady battler in a good team)
3. Stewart Dew (famous for one game yep the flag)
4. Josh Gibson (best volleyballer player in the AFL plays a role - see Guerra)
5. David Hale (Battler in a good team again)
6. Shaun Burgoyne (good career good pick up)
7. Jack Gunston (came from nowhere good pick up)
8. Cameron Bruce (did he play a game?)
9. Jonathan Simpkin (who?)
10. Matt Spanghe (seriously how long can a mascot play for?)
11. Ben McEvoy (has done bugger all so far)
12. Jono O'Rourke (hasn’t played a game yet so what?)
13. James Frawley (a spud (no pun intended) at Melbourne see Jono) |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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| Defender wrote: | We might be good at spotting young talent, but we've been absolutely shithouse recruiting mature age guys lately, infact id go as far to say every mature age player we've recruited under Bucks has been a waste.
Lynch
Young
White
Russel
Armstrong
Let's hope Varcoe and Greenwood pay off. |
The difference is that most of the mature age recruits you've mentioned have cost us virtually nothing. And let's not forget the string of has-been Eagles players MM recruited - Rintoul, Cummings, Morrison and Andrew Williams!
I'm pretty excited at our recent recruits from other clubs - Adams, Varcoe, Greenwood and Crisp. Furthermore, I still expect White to prove to be a good player for us. Time will tell. |
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Out mature age pickups in Ball, Jolly and Brown did OK.
Lets have a look at how we've actually done in the same period with mature age selections
2006 Paul Medurst – Trade - Provided great service Tick
2007 Cameron Wood – Trade- Didn't make it - fail
2008 Leigh Brown – pick 76 - Great service, got us a flag Big tick
2009 Darren Jolly – Trade- Great service, got us a flag Big tick
Luke Ball – Pick 30 Great service, got us a flag Big tick
Simon Buckley – Pick 85 Nothing much, fail
2010 Chris Tarrant – Trade- Provided good service while he was there Tick
Andrew Krakour – Trade Did well, deserved his shot great service, tick
2011 Marty Clarke – Trade - Game had passed him by. Fail
2012 Quinten Lynch – Free Agency - See Clarke
Clinton Young – Free Agency- Plays a role, tick
Jordan Russell – Free Agency - fail
2013 Tony Armstrong- Free Agency TBA
Jesse White – Trade TBA
Patrick Karnezis – Trade TBA
2014 Travis Varcoe – Trade TBA
Jack Crisp – Trade TBA
Levi Greenwood - Trade TBA
Overall you'd have to say we've had more hits than misses
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stui magpie
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Between trades to Hawks 2006-2015:
1. Peter Everitt recruited in 2003, traded to Sydney in 2006
2. Brent Guerra pre season draft after being delisted by St Kilda
3. Stewart Dew Draft 2007
4. Josh Gibson - Trade 2009
5. David Hale - Trade 2010
6. Shaun Burgoyne -Trade 2009
7. Jack Gunston - Trade 2011
8. Cameron Bruce - Preseason draft 2011. Played 10 games
9. Jonathan Simpkin - free agent 2012 after being delisted by Geelong
10. Matt Spangher - traded in from Sydney, poor mans Goldsack
11. Ben McEvoy
12. Jono O'Rourke
13. James Frawley
A couple you forgot.
Kyle Cheney - traded in from Melbourne 2010. traded to Adelaide at the end of 2014
Jarrad Boumann - traded in from GWS in 2011 played 2 games
Brian lake - Traded from the dogs 2012. Just a bit serviceable
A couple of really good strikes but the rest are role players
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Dave The Man 
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
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That you are Sacrificing the Future for Now
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stui magpie
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Sometimes the future is here now Dave.
You reckon we would have won 2010 without Ball, jolly and Brown?
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Dave The Man
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Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
Sometimes the future is here now Dave.
You reckon we would have won 2010 without Ball, jolly and Brown? |
We might of won it without Brown but Probably not Ball and Jolly.
But when these old guys retire who will Hawthorn have Left?
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Bob Sugar
Joined: 11 Feb 2010
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | ^
Sometimes the future is here now Dave.
You reckon we would have won 2010 without Ball, jolly and Brown? |
We might of won it without Brown but Probably not Ball and Jolly.
But when these old guys retire who will Hawthorn have Left? |
They'll return to the bottom of the ladder for a few years before winning a couple more premierships, it's just what they do.
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Member 7167 
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | ^
Sometimes the future is here now Dave.
You reckon we would have won 2010 without Ball, jolly and Brown? |
We might of won it without Brown but Probably not Ball and Jolly.
But when these old guys retire who will Hawthorn have Left? |
Underestimate both the Hawks and Geelong at your peril DTM. These teams have been very good at a number of levels and I am sure you will see them there about for years to come. We have certainly not done as well as these teams but have do much better than many others. |
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Mossi
Joined: 20 May 2002
Location: Vittorio Veneto TV Italy
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We have certainly not done as well as these teams but have do much better than many others. |
Too right  Carlton for one!!! |
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swoop42 
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
Location: The 18
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| Darkstranger wrote: | 1. Peter Everett (Won all Aust with them so fair result)
2. Brent Guerra (steady battler in a good team)
3. Stewart Dew (famous for one game yep the flag)
4. Josh Gibson (best volleyballer player in the AFL plays a role - see Guerra)
5. David Hale (Battler in a good team again)
6. Shaun Burgoyne (good career good pick up)
7. Jack Gunston (came from nowhere good pick up)
8. Cameron Bruce (did he play a game?)
9. Jonathan Simpkin (who?)
10. Matt Spanghe (seriously how long can a mascot play for?)
11. Ben McEvoy (has done bugger all so far)
12. Jono O'Rourke (hasn’t played a game yet so what?)
13. James Frawley (a spud (no pun intended) at Melbourne see Jono) |
I think you're being harsh on some of those.
Guerra, Gibson, Hale, Burgoyne and Gunston have all been major wins.
Dew swung the 08 flag in there favour.
Lake is a Norm Smith medalist.
Frawley should thrive at such a strong team and strengthens there weakest line.
McEvoy is a strong old fashioned ruckman who's likely to grab back the No.1 ruck mantle this season.
O'Rourke might yet prove to be another Gunston like steal.
It's fair to say when it comes to recycled players they're the best in the business and the targeting of Gunston just a couple of years in the system was genius as his talent was obvious in his last game for Adelaide (what were they thinking?)
I just hope O'Rourke doesn't live up to the hype of being worthy of a No.2 pick.
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Bob Sugar
Joined: 11 Feb 2010
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£$%$ers will have more flags than us within 30 years if history is anything to go by.
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