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What'sinaname
Joined: 29 May 2010 Location: Living rent free
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Hopefully the media will stop gaslighting people with this cheap fake rubbish.
They still tried to gaslight by saying Biden had a cold.
Anyone with functioning eyes and ears and see and hear the diminished capacity of Biden.
He's a national security risk. The Commander in Chief can't have a mash potatoes as a brain. _________________ Fighting against the objectification of woman. |
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David
to wish impossible things
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: the edge of the deep green sea
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^ Yeah, I saw the thing about him having a cold. Seems old habits die hard. Trouble is nobody's buying it anymore.
And I agree with those who are saying that, election or no election, Trump or no Trump, Biden clearly shouldn't be president right now. Surely the 25th amendment exists for situations precisely like this. _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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pietillidie
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^My worry is more that he takes his self-talk too seriously. "I'm Joe Biden, I don't give up in the face of adversity...." _________________ In the end the rain comes down, washes clean the streets of a blue sky town.
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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Did a bid of reading up on this, the Democrats are screwed.
They can't drop Biden unless he chooses to withdraw. They probably could literally but it would go down like a cast iron hang glider.
If they did drop him, Kamala Harris is next cab off the rank. Apart from the fuss it would cause to drop the Black Female VP for a (likely) white male, there's the little matter that all the funding and donations they've gathered are tied to the Biden-Harris ticket. She can keep the funding if she moves to POTUS candidate but apparently if they lock in another candidate they have to start again with funding. Plus, I think, if they were going somewhere different they would have to go through all the convention bullshit which would present them as a rabble.
Looks like their only hope is to stick with Biden, hope the near 50% of Democrat voters who think he's past it can suck it up and vote for him instead of Trump, then after being sworn in as POTUS they arrange some bloodless coup in the first 12 months where he either resigns, retires or is medically ruled out and Harris becomes POTUS. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Magpietothemax
magpietothemax
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Magpietothemax
magpietothemax
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stui magpie wrote: | Did a bid of reading up on this, the Democrats are screwed.
They can't drop Biden unless he chooses to withdraw. They probably could literally but it would go down like a cast iron hang glider.
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Only hope for them is to poison him, like Rasputin.
can't wait for the toxicology reports. _________________ Free Julian Assange!!
Ice in the veins
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Magpietothemax
magpietothemax
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pietillidie wrote: | ^My worry is more that he takes his self-talk too seriously. "I'm Joe Biden, I don't give up in the face of adversity...." |
Why are you worried?
Whoever replaces him, if they do, will advance exactly the same policies (the only difference is that most likely the replacement will be able to articulate them more coherently) _________________ Free Julian Assange!!
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Culprit
Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Port Melbourne
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Watching that debate I witnessed the end of the mighty USA. It's no wonder Putin and Ping are sitting back laughing.
Now with Trump being granted partial immunity, the end of the USA is a lot closer. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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So now the US Supreme Court has ruled that a POTUS has a level of immunity against prosecution for acts undertaken while POTUS, which has thrown into chaos the raft of charges against him. I understand they've sent the ruling back to the lower court to rifle through all the charges and figure out which ones, if any, they could still prosecute. Meanwhile, Trump has used the decision to appeal against his Hush Money conviction.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-02/donald-trump-immunity-supreme-court-decision/104046210
Shit just gets weirder. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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David
to wish impossible things
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So many things are broken in American politics, and the presidency and supreme court are two of the biggest problems because they're both much too powerful and unaccountable – something this judgement only reinforces. Would be good if they could tear the constitution up and start again, but failing that there's going to need to be some kind of drastic intervention to put things right. Otherwise they'll just be circling the drain whether or not Trump gets back into the White House. _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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What'sinaname
Joined: 29 May 2010 Location: Living rent free
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The media and Dems tried to convince everyone Joe is the fittest and sharpest he’s ever been despite all the warning signs of his ailing health.
A shitshow of a debate and now Biden is doubling down,claiming international travel was to blame for a poor debate. Joe was just a bit tired.
The Democrats campaign is exploding before our very eyes. _________________ Fighting against the objectification of woman. |
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stui magpie
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David wrote: | So many things are broken in American politics, and the presidency and supreme court are two of the biggest problems because they're both much too powerful and unaccountable – something this judgement only reinforces. Would be good if they could tear the constitution up and start again, but failing that there's going to need to be some kind of drastic intervention to put things right. Otherwise they'll just be circling the drain whether or not Trump gets back into the White House. |
Apart from the logistical (borderline) impossibility of ripping it up and starting again, can you imagine the shit show that would happen if they tried? Lobby groups would tear the country apart climbing all over themselves trying to get things included/excluded and who would be the poor bastards tasked with trying to write a new constitution for the modern day, that makes sense, and wouldn't be out of date in 50 years? Anyone sane would run away from that in a heart beat.
For better or worse, their constitution is what it is. It's clearly able to be amended, the trick will be getting enough of the right people on board to amend some of the more obviously bad pieces. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Magpietothemax
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David wrote: | So many things are broken in American politics, and the presidency and supreme court are two of the biggest problems because they're both much too powerful and unaccountable – something this judgement only reinforces. Would be good if they could tear the constitution up and start again, but failing that there's going to need to be some kind of drastic intervention to put things right. Otherwise they'll just be circling the drain whether or not Trump gets back into the White House. |
The Constitution in itself is not the problem. The problem is that the decisions of the Supreme Court majority are repudiating the Constitution, and the Democrats are absolving themselves from any attempt to oppose it.
You just have to compare the actions of Roosevelt in the 1930's. When the Supreme Court of that time declared that it would block Roosevelt's New Deal policies, Roosevelt responded by threatening to appoint more Supreme Court judges (ie appointees that he knew would vote with him). The oppostiion judges backed down and allowed the passage of the legislation.
I am not implying that exactly the same actions could be taken today. But the fact taht the Democrats have responded to this anti-Constitutional ruling from the Supreme Court by staying quiet, accepting it, is further proof of the spinelessness of the Democrats and their complicity in the destruction of American democracy that we are now witnessing in real time. _________________ Free Julian Assange!!
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Pies4shaw
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The 538 poll average suggests that Trump has, at present, aboiut a 2% post-debate bump. What it would translate to on election day is a different question, of course. On their election modelling (running various forecasts around the margins of error in the data, rather than just focusing on a "single figure"), they have Trump winning 53 times out of 100 and Biden 47. To be quite clear, that does not mean that Trump is on 53% and Biden is on 47% - what it means is that on their various simulations, Trump is ever so slightly more likely to win, if the election were to be held right now. In other words, it's a coin toss.
Nate Silver sold 538 a little while back to the US ABC (he now runs his own separate site again) and it probably isn't as reliable as it was during the lead up to the last election but, make no mistake, that probabilistic approach is the only useful one for making sense of polling.
Think of it this way - in Texas Holdem, if you have 4 cards of one suit after the flop, the chance of drawing the flush over the remaining two cards is about 35% (a bit under). Most people who play take that as, in effect, "about 50/50" and bet accordingly. Obviously, it isn't, strictly speaking, but the practice serves to make the point that 65/35 isn't too bad, even if you're on the 35. Against that background, 53/47 is, as near as may be, actually level. |
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David
to wish impossible things
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It certainly suggests that there's no reason to assume the debate killed Biden's candidacy, and as with most of these incidents (e.g. Trump's Access Hollywood tape) the news cycle tends to move on pretty quickly.
The catch here though is that it wasn't just a one-off bad debate performance, but rather evidence of a problem that will continue to follow Biden through the campaign. He can't fix it because the problem is, essentially, unfixable – short of loading up on the drugs that the Republicans keep insisting he's being given prior to events. _________________ "Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange |
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